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Sunday, March 26, 2006

The Rest of the McKenzie Scott Saga (Updated 3/2/08)

It's been a while since I posted - things have been busy... The incident I describe below happened about a month ago...

So after playing a little email tag, Brian and I finally hooked up again on the phone to talk about the next steps. Again, I have to say how impressed I've been with their sales job - Brian came across as available and helpful, but not over eager or pushy (yet).

We talked more about how to market my skills (or should I say skilz?) and the timelines involved. Brian layed out a very aggressive and ambitious approach about how we could proceed. At the end of the call, he agreed to point me a copy of their work agreement that outlined the financial details of how work would proceed (HERE'S THE LINK AT THE TIME [ed: this link is broken, if someone sends me a new link i'll update it. in the meantime, this post has a scanned copy of the agreement]) Up to this point, there still had been no discussion as to price...

As I read through this agreement I was struck by three things. The first was something I expected - the entry price was 8K and stretched up to 25K. Realistically you would have to spend at least 12K. That's a lot of money to pay up-front, but if the stuff really works, it's obviously worth it. Of course they have all these statements about "guarantees" but if you read the details of the guarantees, they don't really provide that much protection for the client (see below).

The second thing that struck me was in a section innocuously titled: How Long We Will Serve You...and the Completeness of This Agreement It said: "This agreement, along with our service guide, set forth our entire agreement. It supersedes any prior written or verbal understandings with any party, including any verbal understandings with any employee or agent of the firm or with third parties." WTF, did I read that correctly? It basically says that regardless of what Brian has told me, this agreement and the service guide are all I can rely upon in terms of expectations of service and outcomes. In other words, Brian can promise me whatever, but McKenzie Scott doesn't have to do what he says they'll do. (Not being a lawyer, I have no idea if this is a legal way to get out of fraud, but it seems pretty sleazy & questionable to me... And of course that this language is buried in a section that talks about how long McKenzie will keep working on my behalf makes it seem like a bait-and-switch even more.

The third piece is in a section titled: Mutual Confidentiality Regarding
This Agreement… and Your Search. It has this preamble: "A certain percentage of the firm as clients are senior executives who are sometimes concerned that we not divulge anything about this agreement or our work for them, that would lead to commentary in the print, broadcast or internet media." It then goes onto say: "For this reason, the firm and all clients mutually agree that this agreement shall be kept confidential, and comments of any kind regarding it, our services and our clients, shall not be initiated or released to the print, broadcast or internet media, either anonymously, through a third party, or on a direct basis." And then as a kicker, they describe the penalty for violating this restriction: "In the rare event
that a breach should lead to public commentary, both parties agree that because of the difficulty of assessing damages… that a penalty will be due which is equal to the base executive service charge in this agreement, as stated on page 6." That's 8.5K.

This also has the effect preventing people from posting complaints about the service provided. Nice. The part of this that seems so duplicitious (ingeniously so) is that they state this as though it's to help protect their famous client rather than to cover their asses. To belabor the point (although it's probably obvious to anyone with even an ounce of skepticism) if they wanted to protect their clients names and reputation, they could do it in a much more narrow way then this restriction.

Sooooooo.... having read through the agreement, i was ready to Brian's call the next day. I suppose I could have pointed out all the issues above to him, But i didn't really see the point. What i said was basically that
1. they seemed like a company that really understood the market and had the capability to help out a lot in a job search but,
2. a deal like this that was structured with all the payments up front creates too much inventive for a good sales job and not enough for follow through. (And this really is my fundamental objection whIch i repeated consistently through the rest of the call...)

Well, Brian was pretty prepared for this objection. He quickly responded that even though the payment was up-front, the "money back guarantee" meant that the money would be given back if they didn't deliver. To that i pointed him to the service agreement which outlines the various gaurantees. The money back gaurantee is only valid at a very early point in the process after they have created a bunch of marketing material for you (but before you've had a chance to use it to search for jobs or McKenzie Scott find openings for you.) The point I made was that I'm already admitting that i don't know what the best marketing material/resumes look like - that's why I'm interested in hiring someone. And without being able to test the market with them, I really couldn't make an informed decision.

The other guarantees really only say that if you are unsatisfied with your "campaign," they'll assign a new team and redo it. And while on paper this seems like something they'd want to avoid and hence provide some disincentive, it's not nearly the same as cold hard cash. Or to paraphrase Dennis Miller about the K-mart blue-light special - "Two of shit is shit. If they really want to fuck you they'll give you three of them." Or a joke my dad used to tell about a lottery where the first prize was a week of vacation in Philadelphia. Second prize - two weeks vacation in Philadelphia. (I didn't reference these jokes to Brian - i didn't think he'd laugh...)

This seemed to knock Brian a little off his game. He continued to repeat the mantra that the need to redo a campaign was a disincentive enough. When this didn't seem to make any headway, he switched to giving me a some inside information. Apparently, he told McKenzie Scott has been working on a new agreement that would provide exactly the kind of arrangement where they were paid only when the candidate was placed. But, he lamented, it's being held up by the legal department and he didn't know when it would be available.

The call lasted about 45 minutes. I told Brian that when they got the new agreement that provided a different payment structure, to please call me back as i'd be very interested. He told me he would.

That evening I recieved an email from Brian with a bunch of testimonials about what job's they found and how much McKenzie Scott helped them. Of course, the company names were ommitted as well as the last names of the people. All completely unverifiable.

That was the last i ever heard from Brian.

Draw you own conclusions - obviously you know what i think.

Update: see new posting
Update 2: see new posting with copy of the agreement you sign
Update 3: Guess ITS et al got tired of people finding out about them. So what to do? Send in the lawyers. Here's their salvo and my response.

217 Comments:

Blogger KPG said...

Just posted, but I think it failed. Sorry if there's a double post...

Glad I found this. There is literally nothing out there about the company other than press releases and other garbage. There is something on ripoffreport.com, but then I found other sites claiming that THAT site is a scam too, so who knows.

I had a preliminary call today with a guy from 'ITS'. Try searching for 'ITS' on google. Ha ha. The letters i-t-s match a whole lot of things in the language. I'd put serious money on the fact that the acronym was chosen deliberately because its impossible to find info on it with a web search. For the life of me I can't find what it stands for.

The web address is...

http://usajobmarket.com

Its the same company as McKenzie Scott. However, if you go to the bbb.org, ITS is there an has no complaints. Sounds good! Search for McKenzie Scott. 40 complaints. Not so hot.

Not the same company? Check this out...

http://www.mckenziescott.com/executive.pages/qa-.html
http://usajobmarket.com/salary.pages/qa-.html

The money up front is huge, and, obviously, they don't mention that on the site. To be honest, if they had a deal with at least partial after placement, I'd be more interested. Better yet, a percentage of the offer you get. Then they have a direct incentive to get to work. Of course, that's how a recruiter gets paid.

Sounds like a decent sort of business idea. Like a job hunting mentor. However, right now I have serious concerns about the whole thing.

January 03, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A second heart-felt thanks. I entered the job market recently and was approached by "ITS" after posting to Monster.com. They are tenacious--2 emails & 2 vmails. My first impression of the vmail was a guy at a phone bank going down the list. Sounds like my instincts were spot on. They finally got a hold of me and they do give one hell of a soft sell -- I was ready to sign. But no, "watch the 30-minute movie first." I have my followup call scheduled soon. I was expecting a large price tag but nothing would have prepared me for upwards of $12K -- wow.

March 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had the same shakedown. I got a note saying that I was being considered for an amazing gig at the largest company in my industry; which is like a trip to the big show. The email said I would get a call from a recruiter. Then I had a very smooth talker call me and got me talking about myself all pumped up. He kept trying to get me to say I need help with a job search, at every turn I told him I just threw a posting on monster as a flier for contract work ... but if this gig is real I am game. He totally backed down and said it wasn't really his reason for calling. I told him I actually do pretty well as a contractor, but if that kind of gig is out there, I'm game. So finally asking for the four hundredth time WHY he's calling; he starts tell me what he'll do for me and my resume, etc. I finally asked who paid for all this, because recruiter often do, he tells me "the searcher," I politely wrapped it up. Basically, why would do anything but be polite (well, except that he wasted my time and lied to me, but it sounded credible enough not be a jerk to him). I got a fedex and three more emails, one with a really hoaky online video link. These people are evil personified praying on people who need to hustle hard and fast to feed a family. He easily burned a billable hour of mine at a critical juncture. It sounded so good; the killer corporate gig ... but in the end a scam AND AN ILLEGAL ONE!!

March 27, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See also http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/logistics-manager/05390c183c137e1b70784b07

March 28, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just in time. This information sealed my thinking that this may not be on the up and up. Thanks to all of you. I just finished the whole sell after receiving my FEDEX package. I tried to Google ITS; no go. I finally got onto this site while still talking to my "agent". My next call from him will be fun.

April 18, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone had a positive experience with ITS or USAjobmarket.com or McKenzieScott.com ?

May 09, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! I was feeling a bit skeptical about the soft sell I received also from an ITS managing director. Like everyone else, I Googled ITS and nothing. Continued searching & realized they were the former McKenzie Scott. I too, recieved the online presentation, the FedEx package and the first 30 min sell on how marketable I am. When I was asked if I had any questions I said yes, "one...How much does it cost?" I must have asked a half dozen times & never got an answered. I have to admit, they are good at selling you on how great you are. I am so glad I came across this blog. Now, when I have my follow up telecon tomorrow I will be very comfortable with saying, No Thanks.

June 04, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are a virtual scam company.

Send 10,000 faxes. Maybe. No proof, no lists provided. Send to people outside of your list of targets just so they can say they do it.

Agree with the "you write it ourself" comments.

Operate as many companies so they can they can switch to another when teh heat is on one.

June 14, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the point of signing but decided to do some more due diligence - I'm glad I found this site. My concerns have been validated by your comments. Thanks.

June 15, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got taken by this scam for $19K. I read of another that got taken in 2001 for $29K. Can anyone spell class action law suit??? I am about to organize it with my kick-ass attorney when he's back from 4th of July vacation next week. Stay tuned!

July 06, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many thanks! Your blog was one of the resources I found in searching out the truth behind these folks at ITS/McKenzieScott/America's Job Network/and whatever furture iderations they come up with in the future.

To those who are here doing research on ITS - BE CAREFUL!! There's NO Free Lunch and ITS promises a Free Lunch, of course for the nomimal fee of $12k-$14k or so.

My last suggestion is for the next "me" that uses this site and the others links dedicated to exposing these guys - DO YOUR PART!!! Come back and add your comments and your experience.

There's some poor guy out there RIGHT NOW with a family that can't afford to plop down $12k-$14k and is going to do it anyway simply because he wants to believe what ITS is telling him. Help stop it!

If I could make a living haunting these sorry SOB's at ITS - I'd do it in a heart-beat!!!!!!!!!!!

July 12, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad I googled ITS, careertransitions, usajobmarket.com. I completed my web questionnaire and will be receiving my "fedex" packet tomorrow. I cannot believe I fell for this. I will cancel my phone call with "Pat" Brian Brennan for tomorrow.

July 18, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did join the service , and even tho i have some issue ,I like to say this much about them , they are very helpfull and I Did, learn a few things from them.

they got a great support section


I was changing career , I do believe they charge to much for what they do.

Ive been in a campaign for a month with no luck.

they claim they have access to job that are not on the market
but i havnt seen them.


In a nut shell what they do is rewrite your resume, and fax it out to recruiter.you can research companies

but all the leg work is on you.

what upset me most was i was lead to believe that i can access jobs all in one site , not true its a site that has all the jobboards links. so you sign ON then sign on again.


i would pay about $1500.00 for they services but no more.
if they actuly seach for job opening for you then i think it would be worth it.

July 23, 2007

 
Anonymous Dan-PDX said...

I too can sadly say that I taken by the crooks at McKenzie Scott. Now that I am over the embarrassment of being taken for $7500, I need to let those doing due diligence on ITS, McKenzie Scott, & USA Job Market that there is yet another entity appearing from these scam artists.

It is called Delaney, Byczinski and Potamkin. It is also referred to as DBP Executive Search. This is the same scam as the others under a new name to avoid BBB complaints and negative PR on the Web.

There is a specific telltale to this new entity that I am not going to post now so that there may be a footprint later when they decide to change names again.

I'll post more later but I thought important to get this out since it looks like a new thing appearing on CareerBuilder and Monster. BTW, I reported them to CareerBuilder as a fraudulent site.

A previous post mentioned a class action suit. Where do I sign up?

July 27, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep Posting to this blog. The activity is moving it up in Google, Ask, and Yahoo.

These warnings are now right behind the USAJOBMARKET website.
Maybe that is why the recent name change to Delaney, Byczinski and Potamkin. AKA: DBP Executive Search

Also post to Indeed
http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/logistics-manager/ 05390c183c137e1b70784b07/05390c183c137e1d7770450d#c76879

If the link doesn't work search the forum at Indeed.com for ITS or USAJOBMARKET

Help save fellow job seekers from these blood suckers.

July 28, 2007

 
Anonymous Dan PDX said...

If anyone is in the middle of a discussion with the people at DBP Executive Search, be sure to pressure them to reveal the so-called executive jobs they have available. I recall when the McKenzie Scott entity engaged me they started with a promise of having a boatload of executive jobs they were recruiting for only for them to disappear somewhere in the process never to be discussed again.

The truth is that they do not have any access to executive jobs other than the job boards like everyone else and their initial ads are just bait to get honest job seekers engaged in their scheme.

I agree with the previous post. Keep posting to keep this blog to keep it coming up in the search engines. This Delaney, Byczinski and Potamkin scam is new and will undoubtedly sucker many.

Also, for those who are still undecided and in the middle of due diligence with these people, consider the opportunity costs of delaying your job search by getting involved with people who really have no stake in your success. Once you accept your creative materials (a one page resume and generic marketing plan) your so-called guarantee is gone and you are stuck dealing with people who could really care less.

My advice is to Go to theLadders.com and find a proven professional resume writer for about $700 and signup for a one-year membership. I don't work for these guys. I just discovered them after my expereince with Mckenzie Scott. $700 for a very good resume is allot cheaper than $7500-$10000. Between the resume and the membership you'll be under $1000 and be a leg up over most job seekers.

If that doesn't appeal to you, just find a professional/proven resume writer and pay them what they're worth. No one should pay more than $1K for a resume.

July 29, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought it might be a good idea to start a roster of the cast of characters involved at McKenzie Scott. I will make no characterizations of these folks other than that they worked for McKenzie Scott.

As for McKenzie Scott the company/firm, I believe this blog has established a well defined pattern of questionable practices. Individuals conducting due diligence should strongly consider this affilition past or present when discussing with the people below.

Marcia Bench
Carrie Straub
Paul Bokelmann
James Quinn
Alisa Garcia
Sue Sramek
Norris Perkins
Carol Ruckel
Gordon Rubestein
Claire Richtman
Melissa Kendrick
Paul Stewart
Fred Boyer
Lynette Daniels
Paul Worthman
Steve Wilder
Tom Harford

and of course, the new DBP Executive search has Mr. Charles Williams

I'd encourage anyone who knows of others to please post. When honest job seekers get contacted by these people they should have a chance to get all the info the can before they step into the spider's web.

August 02, 2007

 
Blogger Anon said...

Too late for me. I signed up with ITS earlier this year. Despite the $12,000 outlay, not one positive call back or interview.

I did receive more than a few irate communications regarding "junk faxes" and the insulting tone of my professionally prepared letters and resumes.

I am at the point now where they will not return my calls or e-mails.

Count me in on any lawsuit. As I recall, fraud in the inducement to enter into a contract is a basis to set it aside and might be a basis to go to court instead of arbitration.

August 09, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another tentacle of the CAN Inc. / McKenzie Scott / ITS / DPB Executive Search.

Promises access to executive jobs but it is really just getting you to register so you can be contacted by the ITS Sales Goons.

The name is Mangement Recruiting. Here's the email I received:

-----Original Message-----
From: brycedecker@managementrecruiting.com [mailto:brycedecker@managementrecruiting.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:45 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: xxxxx, we liked your resume. Are you still in the market?


Dear XXXXXX,


Are you still in the market for either a professional or executive job?
Your resume indicates that we may have openings at Executive Search Online that are appropriate to consider. However, if you are interested, we need some added information.

Executive Search Online enjoys a growing reputation in executive circles as the fastest growing ecruiting service. Our clients include a mixture of small and large firms, growth companies, and Fortune 1,000 corporations. We deal only in professional and executive openings.

To register with us, as well as to review current situations at your income level and in your geographic area, please do the following:

Click on http://www.managementrecruiting.com/site.data/1.

The "register now" button will take you to the profile information that we need.

Regards,


Bryce Decker
Senior Vice President

August 17, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was almost convinced by the sales pitch and ready to send my payment, especially since my ITS contact was ready to bring the price down 1k if I signed today. Fortunately, I found this site and that made up my mind: I will keep my money and double my efforts in other fronts.
Hopefully, many more get to this blog and save themselves from loosing their hard earned money.

August 21, 2007

 
Anonymous Heather said...

Got this today, dude has left a few messages for me and I hadn't bothered to call back, figuring it was a scam. When I got the email, I noticed that the website, email address, and company name were all completely different. I then googled usajobmarket and found this site.

Hello Heather:

I've left a couple of voice mails over the last week and thought I'd reach out one last time.

We received the profile you submitted to one of our websites, along with your request for some complimentary services.

You can reach me at the number below or respond via return email with a convenient time/date for us to have a brief teleconference.

If I don't hear from you within the next few days, I will archive your file and wish you luck in your search - hope to hear from you.


Regards,

David Farr, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies
http://www.usajobmarket.com/

email: dfarr@careertransition.com
phone: (866) 328-2685 x3903

August 24, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I owe you all a debt of gratitude. I was nearly taken for $6K with ITS, when I found this blog. Thank you, thank you, thank you for educating the public.
Can't wait to call Joe Ramirez of ITS to give his chain a yank!

September 12, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who fell for this, don't be embarrassed...these guys are very good at selling (any preying on people when they are at their most vulnerable stages). I admit that I was about to dive in myself, but just happened to stumble across these consumer blogs, as was, shall we say, horrified. So upon viewing literally DOZENS of negative experiences I bailed out and sent my "rep" a polite, but to the point email to end our working alliance. Naturally, I got an email response and voice message on my phone claiming that he had no knowledge of these consumer forums and that there was negative feedback regarding the ITS company.
So I invited him to have a look. (As if he REALLY doesn't know -- yeah right!) But I was appreciative of all info that I have gained from these blogs...It saved me a good chunk of money!!!

September 12, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to everyone for their comments on their experiences with ITS. I was contacted today by Jack Swift at ITS. I began researching the company after noticing that his e-mail address domain (careertransition.com) and the website domain(usajobmarket.com) and the company name (ITS) are all different. A sign of shady business practices to say the least. Anyway, I will politely turn down their services and get back to Careerbuilder and Monster.

September 13, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH MY GOODESS.....

WWW.USAJOBMARKET.COM

I ALMOST SIGNED UP - THE WEB VIDEO WAS UNBELIEVABLY GOOD - I AM IN ADVERTISING AND THE SELL TACTICS SO GOOD THAT I WAS CONSIDERING. THEY EVEN SAID COME TO DENVER OUR HEADQUARTERS SO WE CAN SHOW YOU ALL 200 PEOPLE WORKING AND THE TECHNOLOGY.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ODD THAT WHEN ASKED FOR PRICING THE GUY SAID, "8K-12K AND PEOPLE PUT IT ON THEIR CREDIT CARD AND DEBIT CARD"

THAT RAISED A BELL - WHO PUTS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON A DEBIT CARD FOR THIS TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES?

BUT NOT LARGE ENOUGH A RING TO START ME THINKING. THANK GOD I ASKED AROUND AND A FRIEND SAID BE CAREFUL HE'S HEARD SOME SCAMS ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS POST UP. YOU ALL SAVED ME.

FOR THOSE WHO SIGNED UP KNOW THAT YOUR EXPERIENCES WERE NOT IN VAIN MANY PEOPLE ARE BENEFITTING FROM READING THIS - PLUS IT STOPS THEM FROM DOING THIS WITH IMPUNITY

I AM ON THELADDER.COM AND IT IS GOOD.

September 17, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got off the phone with an ITS rep. I have been in sales for 20+ years, so I like listening to a good pitch. Watch how they make it look as if ITS is very selective on who they will work with. Anyone ever been turned down for their service?? My first concern was all the different name changes (ITS, USajobmarket) and then when it was so hard to Google them, I knew the jig was up. THANK YOU to all who have posted here.

Also, another thing I am on the phone about 3 hours a day and usually have a good ear for aging people with a voice, this guy said he was retired from Glaxo and led me to believe he was an old guy just liked to help people. He really sounded like a kid to me. Anyone have similar experience?

September 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It has been an interesting read this evening. My wife, recently unemployed and job searching in a worried fashion, received the ITS "proposal" - $7500 and with a few select options, far north of there. She has been in discussion with ITS for the last few days since she registered with an on-line executive search site. I, the perennial pessimist, was doubting every word of their schtick but it was making my wife feel much better. She seemed to think that this might be on the up & up until the "proposal" came. The justification for such a lofty price tag is that you will find employment several months sooner.

So - the contact name is John Emerson in Denver. He said he used to be a plastic surgeon but the insurance costs of malpractice were too high. Interestingly enough, if you google plastic surgeons with his name in Denver - you get an interesting news report about botched surgeries. I will let the reader decide if it is him or not.

One suggestion - squeeze them for all the free info you can get (we got free reviews of our resumes with some decent advice as well as some cover letter info).

Thank you all for the blogs - I hate writing cheques from my home eq. account.

September 26, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to everyone for their comments on their experiences with ITS. I met today with ITS. I began researching the company prior to making the financial commitment.
I appreciate your input and saving me the time and agony of dealing with them. I will politely turn down their services and get back to more conservative job search methods.

October 09, 2007

 
Anonymous Marc said...

I have just googled DBP and found your blog. I have been contacted numerous times by Charls Williams. Same tactic. One lesson though I learn from working : if an experienced professional does not have a single personal page and if there is no one who's talking about him ... he just does not exist! He is a scam.
I remember being contacted by a recruiting search firm out of Walnut Creek, CA - forgot the name that was 6 years ago - nice offices, seemed like a serious company, very professional, opened to giving me a few "general marketing pieces of advice" that anyone who reads any basic marketing book can give you. And then came the discussion about fees. RED FLAG!!! Always. A good recruiting firm does not ask you 5~10K up front.
Thanks for creating that blog. And good luck to all job seekers.

October 10, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I smelled a rat when trying to Google the company name. Too many name changes but I did manage to find some history. The BBB had many complaints 20 - 30 of them, different company names and different employee names. We too got a FedEx pkg. with very believable info. Were not buying. Can't wait to tell them! Thanks for your messages.

October 11, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks All for your posts. I too was doing research on ITS these folks had contacted me and I went through their marekting profile and their little video tour. But I was not going to commit to anything until I had more info. You are right I tried msn.com,yahoo and google and could find nothing about the company. I am glad you have this blog and I am also sorry for those of you who had to pay for the lesson you are sharing with us. God bless and remember what comes around goes around. They will get theirs.

October 11, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW, I was within just a day or so of signing up! I'm not sure what is more dissapointing, the thought of losing the money or the tremendous let down of this being a scam. I really felt good about this and now am pretty low. I have been on the ladders but really have no idea how to make it work for me.

October 13, 2007

 
Anonymous Lee said...

I would love to join a law suit. I paid out almost 8k and got the same result. I now have a web site telling my story warning potential customers about these guys. Please post this and help spread the word. The site is http://www.bewareits.org.

October 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got a call today from this company but they were interested in interviewing as a marketing director for them. The lady I talked to directed to me to usajobmarket.com to find out more about the company and if I was interested to give her a call to set up an interview. So I checked out the website, which was really vague. When I Googled ITS, I couldn't find anything. Luckily I found this site when I Googled usajobmarket.com. Thank goodness I did. You all prevented me from making a mistake!

October 23, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the following sound familiar?
These guys are great at Sales and Marketing. A great big THANK YOU for this blog--I might have been sucked into the scam as well. To those that already were-->I suggest sending an email to the producer of 60 Minutes; they will eat these guys alive.

Hello John:

I enjoyed our conversation today and look forward to chatting with ou again, soon.

I have authorized your email address, xxxx to be your private access code for entering our market tour. The "Tour" will introduce you to today's job market and how our technology can often enable you to find 85% of your openings and leads rather than 3-5%.

Click the link below to get to our 'Complimentary Service' page and from there proceed to the tour.

If you click the link and don't see your name displayed on the page be sure to copy the text of the link in it's entirety and paste it into your browser.

After viewing the market tour you'll be able to more accurately complete part 8 of the marketability profile (found at the same location as the market tour) entitled 'Review of issues & personal aspirations'. This will give me your personal input on issues that are important to you.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you view the tour AND complete the marketability profile. Only then can I assemble everything needed to provide you with your personal marketing plan, which I will email to you prior to our next discussion. I will also overnight to you some literature.

Have a good evening.


Regards,

Tom Kelsay, Managing Director
ITS Family of Companies

email: tkelsay@careertransition.com
phone: (303) 683-8171

October 23, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I received a VM today from John Copeland from "the ITS family of companies". I did what everybody does these days, google it. Nothing. Then I noticed the number he left for contact was different from the number the call originated from as well as the name on my caller id (Ameri Job Network). Then I googled by phone number and Bingo! there are a lot of complaints about this so call company and the numbers listed. I'm so glad I like to play detective before returning a phone call...anyway. FYI, a reputable recruiter agency will NEVER ask for any fees as they will collect the fee that was previously negotiated with the employer looking for the candidate (usually 20-30% of salary). I know this from a former coworker who now owns a recruiting company (legitimate I may add!). The Ladders.com is really good. So far the best. So the next time a recruiter calls, go to www.ERE.com and check them out.

October 23, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Took a day of vacation and drove 3 hours to meet with my ITS director. Had a 30 minute meeting with 4 other guys and a 10 minute private meeting. All sounds good but no money was discussed. They have been calling and asking me to go to a web site for a 30 minute tour. I finaaly tried tonight, last night before my clearance expired. Thank God I have dial up service, it would load. So I googled them. Found this board and feel lucky I only waste 1 day of vacation time and $60 in gas.

October 24, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! Thanks to everyone who posted your comments regarding experiences with ITS, McKenzie Scott, etc..

As you say, these guys are very smooth and sound professional. I was very interested based on the broad appeal of making the job search easier and more complete. Thankfully I decided to do my research.

One more snake to add to the list:
Ian Forrester
iforrester@careertransition.com

I agree with the 60 minutes comment. Somebody needs to shake these guys down who prey on folks who are in a time of need.

October 27, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just got out of the military and the civilian world is new to me. I’ve been born and raised in the military so even my family can’t give me any advice since they are either retired military or still active duty. I was also contacted by ITS and they do have a great sales pitch. But, like most of you, I decided to do some research about the company before any money was discussed. Now that I know what they will be asking for and that there are plenty of unsatisfied clients out there, I will definitely cut my contacts with them tomorrow, my next scheduled phone call.

Job hunting is difficult enough for a military veteran who is leaving their comforts and to have someone try to take advantage of you, makes you upset. I only hope that others will find this site so that no one else will lose their money. Thank you for your posts!

October 28, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two more con artists to add to the list of vultures:

Bryce Decker, brycedecker@managementrecruiting.com

Lydia McArthur, lmcarthur@careertransition.com

October 30, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

add me to the list of grateful to have run across this blog. had an appt. to speak with "Mary" tomorrow but saved myself some time (and apparently money)... here's her email with contact information etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: mwcowart@careertransition.com [mailto:mwcowart@careertransition.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:35 PM
To:****
Subject: Confirming our next conversation

Hello ****:

This will confirm our next conversation on Thur, 11/1, at 1:30pm Central Time. I look forward to speaking with you.

Don't hesitate to call or contact me by email if you have any questions.


Regards,

Mary Cowart, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

email: mwcowart@careertransition.com
phone: (972) 281-5879 x121 cell: (972) 248-4429

October 31, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So close, and almost did it. Trusted them until I read all the postings. Thank you for saving my marriage, my wife would have killed me.

November 02, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just had my phone conversation with a very smooth and slick Ron Norton about an hour ago and then I can across this board. Thank you everybody for you invaluable advise and caution.

November 07, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for everyone's comments on this site. Very accurate; the company is shameful and should be exposed.

"Bob West" tried to solicit me with a similarly slick soft sell sales pitch. I smelled something fishy as soon as I tried to google the careful crafted company name.

How can we cause "ITS Family of Companies" to show up in google searches more easily to save other unsuspecting targets/victims?

I only found it by searching for usajobmarket.com

Below is the email that was sent to me:


I am resending the links for your benefit,please let me know when you've finished the tour,we need to set a meeting--thans.

As a reminder, I have authorized your email address, onemore.sucker@gmail.com, to be your private access code for entering our market tour. The "Tour" will introduce you to today's job market and how our technology can often enable you to find 85% of your openings and leads rather than 3-5%. In addition, having you informed on what works today will make your marketing plan review more productive.

Click the link below to get to our 'Complimentary Service' page and from there proceed to the tour.

http://usajobmarket.com/salary.pages/ext-free_service.html?ueKey=%27%28NH%2F%237%5D%24%20%40%20%20%0A

If you click the link and don't see your name displayed on the page be sure to copy the text of the link in it's entirety and paste it into your browser.

After viewing the market tour, you'll be able to more accurately complete part 8 of the marketability profile (found at the same location as the market tour) entitled 'Review of issues & personal aspirations'. This will give me your personal input on issues that are important to you.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you view the tour AND complete the marketability profile. Only then can I assemble everything needed to provide you with your personal marketing plan, which I will email to you prior to our next discussion. I will also overnight to you some literature.

As discussed, please forward your resume to me by e-mail as a Word.doc attachment. Please call or contact me by email if you have any questions.

I look forward to our conversation.


Regards,

Bob West, Managing Director
ITS Family of Companies

email: rmwestvp@yahoo.com
phone: (830) 596.7420 cell: (830) 385.5830

November 09, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like so many others, I received a call from ITS and agreed to proceed with the first few step - the initial half-hour telephone interview. That happened the first weekof November 2007. But the more I considered what this company proposed to provide free of charge, the more I realized that something was wrong. I am certainly gratefult o have foudn this web site that discusses this company. Although I can't imagine that I would have paid them $12k for blasting my resume out to a bunch of fax machines, art least I will not waste any more of my time with them.
---------------------
Here is my latest email from ITS/Careertransitions/McKenzie Scott/et al:
From:mcravatt@careertransition.com

Subject:Our next meeting

Hello :
I enjoyed our conversation today and look forward to reviewing with you your
complimentary personal marketing plan on .

As a reminder, I have authorized your email address to be your private access code for entering our market tour. The "Tour" will introduce you to today's job market and how our technology can often enable you to find 85% of your openings and leads rather than 3-5%. In addition, having you informed on what works today will make your marketing plan review more
productive.

Click the link below to get to our 'Complimentary Service' page and from there proceed to the tour.

http://usajobmarket.com/salary.pages/ext-free_service.html?ueKey=%27%28NH%2E%227
%5D%27%20%40%20%20%0A

If you click the link and don't see your name displayed on the page be sure to copy the text of the link in it's entirety and paste it into your browser.

After viewing the market tour, you'll be able to better complete our marketability profile (found at the same location as the market tour). This will
surface your transferable skills and give me your personal input on the search issues most important to you.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you view the tour AND complete the marketability
profile. Only then can I assemble everything needed to provide you with your
personal marketing plan, which I will email to you prior to our next discussion.

I will also overnight to you some literature.

As discussed, please forward your resume to me by e-mail as a Word.doc
attachment. Please call or contact me by email if you have any questions.

I look forward to our conversation.

Regards,

Michael Cravatt, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies
email: mcravatt@careertransition.com
phone: (866) 328-2685 x2801

November 12, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just got off the phone with "Isaac" an hour ago. I asked how much this would cost and, like others mentioned, he simply said the evaluation is free. He then said that if I like what I hear on Friday (the next phone appointment) then we will discuss the "investment". Like a politician he turned "cost" into "investment". Something did not feel right and I found this site. Thank you!!! My email letter is included below. By the way, I love the "Senior Consultant" title at the end of his email.

Hello xxxx:

I enjoyed our conversation today and look forward to reviewing with you your complimentary personal marketing plan on Friday 16th at 11:00 am EST.

As a reminder, I have authorized your email address, XXXXXX@XXXXX.com, to be your private access code for entering our market tour. The "Tour" will introduce you to today's job market and how our technology can often enable you to find 85% of your openings and leads rather than 3-5%. In addition, having you informed on what works today will make your marketing plan review more productive.

Click the link below to get to our 'Complimentary Service' page and from there proceed to the tour.

http://usajobmarket.com/salary.pages/ext-free_service.XXXXX

If you click the link and don't see your name displayed on the page be sure to copy the text of the link in it's entirety and paste it into your browser.

After viewing the market tour, you'll be able to better complete our marketability profile (found at the same location as the market tour). This will surface your transferable skills and give me your personal input on the search issues most important to you.

IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you view the tour AND complete the marketability profile. Only then can I assemble everything needed to provide you with your personal marketing plan, which I will email to you prior to our next discussion. I will also overnight to you some literature.

As discussed, please forward your resume to me by e-mail as a Word.doc attachment. Please call or contact me by email if you have any questions.

I look forward to our conversation.


Regards,

Isaac Khan, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

email: ikhan@careertransition.com
phone: (866) 328-2685 x3977

November 13, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more excellent salesman to add to the list. I am a experienced sales manager with over 15 years of experience in sales training and coaching and almost signed up for the service as well. Thank you all for your posts!

Patrick Sanders, Managing Director
psanders@careertransition.com
303-668-7006

This guy was very good!

November 15, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like everyone says, "these guys are good". Lydia McArthur was my smooth talker, extremely convincing. Guess it's true that the easiest person to sell is a salesman, especially with flattery. I thought they were legit until I tried to find careertransition.com. This is a really nasty way to take money from people who are out of work.
If the folks in Washington like torture so much, these would be good people to practice on.

November 16, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My husband is a intelligent guy so when he told me about this company I was a little confused as to why they would want a laughable amount of money for their "marketing". I was told once in an acting class never to pay anyone to see you that your work should speak for itself. Thank God I found this blog after much searching. Every company has complaints so to see the 100s of press releases was a warning that this was to good to be true. Also what is this silliness with ripoffreport.com. Did they put out bad press on themselves so they could say no ripofreport is a scam. I do say their marketing is brilliant as well as criminal. Add this name to your marionettes.
Jerome Silvernagel, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

November 18, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you all might be jumping to conclusions. People aren't used to paying for this kind of help. If it was a law firm asking for thousands of dollars would you blink? Probably not if you needed a lawyer. If getting the best job possible is important to you, just like getting the best outcome in a court of law, then highering an expert makes sense. Are these guys experts? You would have to talk to their clients to find out... and not just the one's who "lost their court case" so to speak. Yes, their sales tactics do seem sneaky. If you think about it, though, they would have to be very convincing selling this kind of intangible. I can see how that might lead salesmen opperating on commission to get "creative". But as this post illustrates, people are going to be suspicious about such an unusual service. I suggest that you know what you want and what they are offering, to the letter. Look at their agreement. Ask yourself, are you a DIY type or a white-towel treatment type. If you don't want to mess around with your job search then maybe it's a good deal. If you have more time than money and you think you have the smarts to do it on your own, then maybe it isn't such a good deal. Maybe getting a job isn't as complicated as winning a lawsuit. Then again, maybe it is. I know I've had my share of troubles in that regard. In many ways what they are doing is uncharted territory. I say, cut them some slack. Don't just assume their all crooks. That said, know what you are getting into. Don't assume anything. As with a lawyer or an auto mechanic or any kind of expert, when you are dealing in an area in which you can't be expected to know all the in's and out's, a lot of trust is involved and there is plenty of room for scamming. You have to rely on the word of former customers, the BBB and the like. If they have thousands of clients a year (just a guess) and even 10% of them felt ripped off, don't you think you would see overwhelming evidence of that on the web? I'm not seeing that. I see some people who are suspicios of a smooth sales process. I see a couple people who lost their court case. I don't see hundreds of upset customers.

November 18, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BINGO! I recieved a voicemil yesterday that sounded similar to calls I have recieved from legitimate recruiters, but my BS meter started to go off a little. Before I could return the call, I recieved the following email from JWhite@Careertransition.com :
_____

Hello xxxxxx:

Unable to reach you by phone, I decided to follow-up with an email. After reviewing the profile you submitted through our website, I would like to discuss your background in greater detail. You can reach me at the number below or respond via return email with a convenient time/date for us to have a brief teleconference.


Regards,

Jeffrey White, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

email: jwhite@careertransition.com
phone: (760) 331-9627
______

The google search showed links to pages no longer in existence, and a couple of ripoff reports. I had to dig a little before I found this site, and my suspicions were correct. This is yet another scam... here is a copy of the email response I sent:

____

Mr. White,

Sorry I missed your call. Before we proceed further, I have just a couple questions. Are you a recruiter representing a specific company or position, or are you offering services for hire like career search and resume writing assistance? Also, what company are you with? I am not familiar with the "ITS Family of Companies". Is that a part of or associated with McKenzie Scott?

Best regards,


XXXXXXX XXXXXXX

_____________

There's a lot more scams out there than legitimate job offers, but with a little due diligence you can find the facts. Remember, recruiting is a big business, financially supported by employers... If someone wants cash from you, be wary... It's probably a rip-off. Best of luck!

- Annonymous dude

November 20, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sure wish I had found this blog 2 months ago! I am 8 weeks into the process with the thieves at ITS, and of course, I have no results for the $7500 I spent, aside from people pissed about the faxes that never stop. One guy emailed me that this was the 122nd fax he had received for an exec no longer with their company - gone five years ago! So I was not surprised when my "custom" database searches had very old data (2 of my previous employers were listed with contacts that had been gone for well over 5 years). On top of that, they have missed distribution dates and sent my info to employers in states that I specifically said I would not move to. So far the only feedback I have received on their "Professionally Written" documents has been negative: too vague and repetitive.

Ten days ago I told Judy McVeigh, my Marketing Lead, that I was dissatisfied and wanted my money back. She, of course, couldn't help, so escalated to her manager, Bob Feese. Bob called me last Monday, but he, of course, couldn't help me either, but assured me Paul Bokelmann would call me and address my concerns. After leaving Paul a message that was never returned, I found out he is "out of town for the next two weeks". At that point, I called my credit card and disputed the charge. I told them I had paid for a product that was not delivered as promised. Specifically, that 4 distribution dates were missed and the final one never delivered. The credit card companies are supposed to help customers if they don't get what they paid for. Someone please let me know if I'm off track here.

So yesterday I talked to Gordon Rubinstein, VP Client Services, the next guy up the ladder (supposedly). He was quick to point to the agreement I signed, and tried to dance around the distributions and poor quality of products and service. He was even quicker to get off the phone when I told him I had disputed the charge.

I will post again as the story unfolds. I am prepared to fight these fraudsters. Please let me know if anyone starts a class action - I am definitely in! Please keep posting and get this linked far and wide!!!!!

KM

November 20, 2007

 
Blogger Greg said...

Thanks for everyone taking the time to post here...you helped not only save me $, but from even having to talk to these jokers. I too noticed the difference in the name of the company ITS and domain Careertransition.com.

Thanks again! Below is the scam email I received.


Hello XXXX:

Unable to reach you by phone, I decided to follow-up with an email.
After reviewing the profile you submitted through our website, I would
like to discuss your background in greater detail. You can reach me at the
number below or respond via return email with a convenient time/date
for us to have a brief teleconference.


Regards,

Robert Williams, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

email: rwilliams@careertransition.com
phone: (866) 328.2685 x3956

November 27, 2007

 
Blogger AZblue said...

Thanks for the info as I also was about to fall into this trap even though I fell for it 3 years ago with a company in New Jersey.

I guess I got a bit suspicious when I had to jump through several hoops to get them to find time to call me back. They kept offering me a $1000 credit if I signed up by such and such, yada yada yada. I emailed the guy back and he said oh sorry you needed to get your paperwork in yesterday for the bonus but we can still move forward as soon as you Execute your contract.

I have since been in touch with a company called Marston Mills in Chicago that does the same service for about $1700 including resumes, letters, mailings and calling leads.

I also couldn't find anything on the company in Yahoo and tried Google and found these strings.

I think the one thing that saved me from making this mistake was the guy who contacted me was too lazy to pursue me more aggessively so I had time to figure it out...

Thanks again to all...

December 04, 2007

 
Anonymous Saved in the nick of time! said...

Hello All,
I just recieved the phone call and email. Figured I would google the firm since I didn't remember sending them a copy of my resume. Thanks to all of you for posting your messages. I will be sending kevin a note advising that I am not interested in his services.

Copy of email and another name to add to the list

Hello XXXxx:

Unable to reach you by phone, I decided to follow-up with an email. After reviewing the profile you submitted through our website, I would like to discuss your background in greater detail. You can reach me at the number below or respond via return email with a convenient time/date for us to have a brief teleconference.


Regards,

Kevin Hardiek, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies

email: khardiek@careertransition.com
phone: 1.800.320.1277 x2892

December 05, 2007

 
Anonymous scot said...

WOW!! So glad i found this site. Been selling for many years and am amazed how smooth they are. thank you to all for past comments. God Bless the internet...

December 06, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These guys are very smooth and are adept at saying the right things to people who are looking for positive feedback on their employment potential. I appreciate everyone's comments that enabled me to avoid a $7500 mistake. What will it take to put these guys out of business???

December 07, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forgot to mention in my previous post dated 12/7 - my ITS "rep" went so far as to send me her picture to "put the name with the face" - nice looking blonde - wonder if she really looks like this....

December 07, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so glad I found this site. It was purely by accident. I was contacted by an ITS rep and I completed the survey as requested. I was doing my due diligence when I found this site. The guys are smooth but careless. I was still talking to the rep when his e-mail thanking me for a productive call came in. Warning signs that this is a boiler room operation. Next I got their free personalized marketing plan which was nothing but a rehash of the 30min presentation they ask you to watch. So I redoubled my information search for this company and found this site. Thank God for that. I cancelled all future contact but still they are sending me their info package. They are coming across like a used car salesman and, you know what they say, you will probably end up with a lemon.

December 08, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sadly I must admit they got me for $6,500 back in October. Unfortunately, I found this site only recently. But if I can help the next individual avoid making the same mistake as me, then I will feel like it went to good cause.

When I found this site, I emailed my marketing director, David Arlen, and the Senior Consultant, Robert Clarke, that I first made contact.

Here is the body of that email with the response from both of them.

Much to my dismay, I found some EXTREMELY disturbing information on the internet last night about your company, ITS/Career Transition/McKenzie Scott/USAJobmarket/Executive Mailing Service. (I am sure I missed a few.) It would seem that your services are nothing but a scam. I have found countless postings describing exactly what I have been told and experienced. If my outcome follows those online, I will have nothing but a $6,500 albatross around my neck.

I have to say that you and Robert Clarke are VERY good at making someone feel at ease. I did not like shelling out $6,500 for this service, but I felt that it would pay off in the end. I do not feel that way anymore. I feel like an idiot for believing the line of BS. I am scared and ashamed that I put my family in jeopardy because of this scam.

I know it does not matter to you or your company, but this scam has damaged my life, the lives of my children, and my marriage beyond words. You must be one cold-hearted individual to fake interest in me and my family, or you are in the dark as well. Although I find it hard to believe that you would work for a company and not know what type of operation it is.

I hope you and all the others sleep well at night knowing the damage the company has caused to unsuspecting job seekers.

With the greatest of regrets,

xxxx


David's response:

xxx,
I just left you voice mails on both your home and cell phones. I would like to speak with you about this as soon as possible. Please get in touch with me.
Thank you.

David Arlen
Marketing Director
darlen@careertransition.com

Robert Clarke's response:

Hi xxx- Please let me know what I can do to help remedy this situation. Our Team and myself is dedicated to assisting you and getting results. I encourage you to focus on the solution- and let us know how we can serve you better as opposed to buying in to rumor, here-say or opinion; which will not get you where you ultimately want to go.

Sincerely- Robert Clarke

Again, here are the two that I had contact with.

rclarke@careertransition.com
darlen@careertransition.com

December 10, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This lady is in the middle of trying to scam me right now.

Lydia McArthur, Senior ConsultantITS Family of Companies email: lmcarthur@careertransition.comphone: (866) 328-2685 x2822

I find it 1/2 funny, so I keep stringing her along. Will she see any money, NOT!

December 11, 2007

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Won’t you please welcome three more to the party?

Career Advancement Partners (careeradvancementpartners.com)
Princeton-Masters
Robert Jameson Assoc.

FYI: Robert Jameson, of Robert Jameson Assoc, is really Bob Gerberg, the chairman at ITS. He has also authored books under the name Robert Jameson Gerberg. So why now does he now go by Bob exclusively? And the name Jameson appears buried for good. This alone may not seem like a big deal, but when you couple it with the company’s numerous name changes, red flags begin to surface.

Princeton Masters, according to Internet search data, appears to have been banned in the state of Texas for violations after a hearing from Texas’s Career Counseling Inspections and Investigations Committee.

Curiously, nowhere can I find (including in their package of materials that they send out) what ITS stands for, if anything. Has anyone else? IMHO, ITS is a cleverly devised name as to not be able to Google it specifically, as a previous poster indicated. The word "it's" or "its" would appear in millions of searches (134 million to be precise), as would similar words like "and" and "the". By attaching "Family of Companies" to the name, it could be intended to smooth over any confusion if you do research and run across these companies. They probably want you to think that some of the past names must be a part of their "family of companies." Brilliant public relations work. Remember, companies like this spend boatloads of $ on marketing and public relations to maintain their image. When dealing with a business of any kind, there shouldn’t be this much confusion to the consumer about the company. Reputable businesses don’t have anything to hide and don’t have to play a shell game, but that’s just my theory and opinion.

However, they are not an illegal company or a scam. They do provide a service that can be very beneficial - at a high cost. To many, it is worth it. Yet others will complain that they were scammed. One must take some accountability for one’s actions. Any "investment" has the potential for disappointment. One must weigh the potential value to the cost. It's a gamble, especially since the cost of this "investment" is ALL upfront. Exercise caution in using any service that wants all their money upfront. Why not half upfront and half later? Or what about financing options? Zero flexiblilty here.

Finally, check out troubleshooter.com. I've used them in the past. An excellent consumer advocacy service for those that have been legitimately ripped off by any company or service(not just those complaining that they paid too much). There is a daily radio show, as well as spots on a local television station, that exposes legitimate consumer concerns/fraud.

I'm not claiming ITS is good or bad or that you should or should not do business with them. Just really do your homework and make intelligent decisions.

December 26, 2007

 
Anonymous jl said...

I've been looking for a new job for a few weeks, with very few hits and have lost some confidence that anybody out there "wants" me, even though I've got great experience. So when I got the emails from DPS and from ITS saying they could help me find the "secret jobs" that aren't listed in ads or on the job boards, I was thrilled: here's my chance to make some headway.
So I created a profile on the ITS site. I watched the slick 30 minute video, read their free materials they fed-exed to me and talked with the guy for 2 hours on the phone. It's basically the same information provided in those 3 formats (video, print, conversation), but it's all just a sales pitch. It was a very pleasant phone call, very soft-sell approach, and very conversational. It's obvious that the salesman knows how to communicate and find and push the buttons of the listener.
At the end of our conversation, I asked him "how much will all this cost me?" He sent me a multiple page agreement that shows the "basic" service is $7500 with options for another $5K or more, all of which he went over in detail . We closed the conversation with the thought that I would get back to him the next day to "close" the deal. Just to make sure I wasn't being bamboozled by the latest internet scam, I googled "ITS" which, as many people in this blog stated, is useless because that's like searching for "the", "or", "and" and other common English words. So that's clue #1 that something's not quite right. Clue #2: the salesman used two different email addresses (@changingcareers.com and @careertransition.com), for which there are not corresponding web sites; that is not necessarily "bad", but it should be another red flag that something is not right.I was able to find this particular blog, however, which probably saved me lots of money. I was "this close" to signing the agreement and spending close to $10K, but after reading the posts here and thinking more critically about the sitation, I decided that what I really need is a good resume, and some good coaching and support.
Long-story-short...don't even consider signing up with any of these types of companies that promise to
get you in on the "secret jobs" that aren't published. Yes, you probably SHOULD spend some money to "market yourself", but spend it on a professional resume writer,
and possibly an interview coach and/or negotiation training. Use the free job boards and possibly TheLadders.com (if you're
in the $100K+ salary range). You should be able to get a professionally prepared resume by a certified resume writer for $500 or less.
Good luck to everyone.

January 03, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They almost got me for $6500. They wanted me to use GE Credit card instant approval. She just changed from careertransitions.com to changingcareers.com.

See below she offers other financing options.

Did you use just your name? If you wife has better credit, perhaps you can re-apply with her as a co-sign.

If that doesn't work, then there isn't really too much else you can do through GE capital. If you don't think your wife's credit is good enough, see if there is a friend or family member that is willing to co-sign for you to get the approval through immediately.


Dendy Fowler, Senior Consultant
ITS Family of Companies
dfowler@changingcareers.com
757-650-4236 (ph)
www.itspersonalmarketing.com

She lives in Virginia Beach and works at home.

January 03, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A BIG thank you to everybody for sharing their experiences. I was less than a day away from signing with these snake o